March 25 2004
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March 25 2004 |
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So, we retained our Health Minister (or did we?).
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Our Minister of
Health
Author: Leea
Date: 5/1/2004 7:30:14 PM
I have nothing against garlic -- for taste and for vampires. However, I would
love any comrade reading this to tell me where Manto Tsbalala-Msimang obtained
her medical degree? With dates and details of university, please? Did she ever
practise medicine? As she seems to be targeting doctors (which we desperately
need) in order to make life impossible for them and drive them out of the country,
it seems impossible that she herself could be a medical doctor.
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Author: ian
Date: 5/3/2004 10:48:39 AM
I know that she qualified in cuba. I had a colleage that qualified with her
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Author: Leea
Date: 5/3/2004 8:11:40 PM
Thanks, Ian. Then it seems rather unbelievable that she could make such fatuous
remarks and pass such impossible regulations. (Oh well, Third World, hold out
your arms, we're sinking into you).
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Author: Hampers
Date: 5/4/2004 6:40:15 AM
What is this medicine problem (since yesterday 2004-5-3) that medical aid or
cash patients are not allowed discounts on medicine anymore and now has to pay
extra?? I am sure I heard Manto bragging about medicine getting CHEAPER!!! We
are going in the wrong direction.
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Author: Dad
Date: 5/4/2004 11:51:57 AM
Leea, you're far too kind, 'fatuous remarks' - I've family in the UK in the
medical profession and our Minister of Health is an absolute laughing stock
in Europe (and elsewhere I dare say!)
Lets face it, her stance on AIDS (and that of the government) is absolutely disgraceful. She and her buddy, Ivy ....? (who has completely mis-managed the communications portfolio) have done nothing for anyone in this country.
Surprised Pres. Mbeki actually let her back in!
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Author: ian
Date: 5/4/2004 12:27:13 PM
Dad i've got to disagree with you about Ivy. I think she is doing Ok on the
comms side. I did some work with Telkom and they want competition. They were
telling me that nobody want the job. To be the SNO is a huge undertaking and
it is not as simple as it seems. The SNO must provide service to rural as well
as urban. They could used fixed lined wireless, but the technology needs to
be improved slightly
When Ivy took over the job she told a confrence that i was at that she knew nothing about comms and spent time learning the ropes. She has made the changes slowly but surely to ensure that it is done properly.
We are getting 3G technology in the wireless environs now. I know that it seems slow but Ivy want the correct infrastructure to be there to ensure that the whole country gets comms.
I have heard that there are some really cool plans in place in her department with reagard to the ICT sector and she seems cautious
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Author: Mzekezeke
Date: 5/4/2004 12:34:06 PM
you know why she is a Minister its because all of you losers dont have brains
go back to you London and stay there
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Author: Nicola
Date: 5/4/2004 1:03:49 PM
Mzekezeke - get a life man and deal with it - we have as much right as you do
to be here and we're staying. @ssho!e.
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Author: cpt patriot
Date: 5/4/2004 1:09:03 PM
Mzekezeke Mugabe is it?....pleased to make your aquaintance.....not!
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Author: N
Date: 5/4/2004 1:34:06 PM
Maybe Peter can ask this Mzekezeke character to refrain from making racist comments
or remove himself from this forum???
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Author: Mzekezeke
Date: 5/4/2004 1:42:52 PM
If all of you were coming with suggestions on how to improve our health care
yes ,I would give a voice of confidence on that but you are bashing her for
being a Minister of health. Who are you to charge her credentials i dont think
our President would reappoint her if she was not capable of handling that post
Bad los@rs .
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Author: Ang
Date: 5/4/2004 1:48:19 PM
The whole point is that we are entitled to our opinions without being bashed
over the head by somebody with a different opinion or getting personal about
it. This is an open forum here and not one to use for your personal abuse or
derogatory comments about people from another country who help maintain the
economy of this country.
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Author: Jerry
Date: 5/4/2004 3:32:17 PM
Well said Ang, I 2nd that........ I was taught that if you don't have something
nice to say, then keep quite. So Mzekezeke, down boy, don't be so aggressive,
keep your cool, it is a mere discussion.
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Author: fadalish
Date: 5/4/2004 3:59:40 PM
you lucky my boss is not the minister of health.. everything would be fixed
/ cured with accupuncture... he has a great accupunturist apparently
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Author: idiot
Date: 5/5/2004 7:56:10 AM
No......seriously.......
Can anyone explain this cost of medicines issue in *** terms please?
I used to Pay R20-00 for a pack of tabs and yesterday the same tabs & quantity cost over R40-00.
The pharmacists excuse was he is not allowed to give any discounts anymore.
So how is it that we were told medicine prices would come down after this intervention by the Honourable Minister of Health.?
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Author: Ang
Date: 5/5/2004 8:19:07 AM
It would depend on whether you are buying over the counter meds or prescription
meds. The chemist I go to offers 30% discount on all prescription meds for cash
payment but over the counter meds get no discount. Most chemists I know of offer
20% cash discount for prescriptions. Maybe the cheaper meds are handed out at
state hospitals or something.
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Author: Chez
Date: 5/5/2004 8:24:22 AM
With regards to the price of meds having gone up - it's true that pharmacists
are not allowed to offer discounts anymore. And at the moment they are still
busy getting rid of their "old" stock - stock that was bought at the
old prices - which they still have to sell at the old prices if they want to
make any money in the next month or so.
Apparently once all that stock is gone and they start getting the new stock
at the new prices, things will be different - hopefully!
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Author: devon
Date: 5/5/2004 9:41:22 AM
mzekezeke let me guess ....anybody that questions anything the ANC ministers
do, are also white racists from the apartheid regime!!!!!!!!!!
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Author: Daemosx
Date: 5/5/2004 10:04:35 AM
Oh dear, there's that can of worms again
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Author: Hampers
Date: 5/5/2004 11:12:02 AM
It does amaze that the same govt which in so many ways are truly competent (look
at the polically mature way they diffused the IFP issue which could so easily
have taken this country over the abyss), mess up the health system. The hardest
hit are the poor (mostly black people) )as they cannot afford decent medical
care (and the govt with their meddling is only driving prices UP). It is as
if the govt does not care about those who voted for it. I can only imagine HF
Verwoerd smiling from the grave as the AIDS death toll mounts.
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Author: fadalish
Date: 5/5/2004 11:23:51 AM
guess what.. u know those little rolls of Bioplus sweeties.. the addictive ones..
at the spar they are like R5.95 or R6.95.. spar was out so i ran over to the pharmacy.. nearly tripped over my own tounge as it fell out.. R11.95 for ONE roll.. CASH.. probably cheaper if i had bought them on my medical aid!
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Author: Dad
Date: 5/5/2004 11:50:54 AM
Oh dear Mzekezeke, I'm staying, sorry hey! Love this country too much! :-)
The government, in general, is doing a great job when you consider the challenges it has to face, I take my hat off. BUT - I haven't heard the MoH say anything that lends credibility to her position. When a senior minister (and Health is one damned important) makes statements here, or overseas that run from ridiculous (on AIDS) to highly unpopular (student doctor training) it makes the whole country look bad.
That isn't good governance!
Now if it was Mr. T. Manuel - hey, he'd get my vote ;-)
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Author: Amateur
Date: 5/5/2004 11:58:39 AM
Let's get this thing straight. There are two sectors that are influenced by
the new law:
1. Pharmacies and
2. Suppliers/Manufacturers of Meds
Pharmacies are not allowed to give discounts anymore on medicine (Against competition
Act?). On medicine without prescription costing less than R100 they are allowed
to put a dispensing fee of 16% on the product (Schedule 1 and 2) with a maximum
of R16.
On medicine with prescription costing less than R100 they are allowed to put
a dispensing fee of 26% on the product (Schedule 1 and 2 on Prescription and
Schedule 3 to 8) with a maximum of R26.
Suppliers/Manufacturers supply the medicine at the same price to all pharmacies. The price it is supposed to be sold at, can appear on the bottle now (Remember the Chomps with the 10c and 20c written on it). This law is not in place yet and therefore the problem. These companies have a month to supply the dir-genl with a schedule of the prices of the meds.
So the problem is that they have to sell the products at the book-price (list of medicines with prices as supplied by the pharmaceutical board), thus Panado 100's normally sold at R24 (including discount) are being sold at R65 (book + 16%)
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Author: Amateur
Date: 5/5/2004 12:02:13 PM
Continue...
Once the single exit price has been determined, the costs will drop in medicines
at the pharmacies. But that will have to wait until August when the law is active
on the Manufacturers/Suppliers. I hope that I explained it right and easy enough.
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Author: Amateur
Date: 5/5/2004 12:12:11 PM
Mzekezeke,
If you really want me and my family to leave the country, then get 3 doctors
to replace the ones lost by the move. It seems to me that it is very easy to
support a minister if his/her dicision doesn't have an influence on you. Unfortunatily
it does have an influence on my family and I so in future when you make a remark,
make sure you know what you are talking about (unlike the minister of health)
and not just because you are emotional about the country that you faught for
(that doesn't fight for you).
As for some of her laws:
1. Doctors need to obtain a license to practice in a certain area - Problem:
According to constitution you have the right to work in the area where you want
to. She is busy pushing more doctors out. Do you realise that my wife has to
work every 3rd day a 28 hour shift as there are a shortage of doctors?
2. Dispensing doctors must complete a course to be able to have a dispensing
license. Problem: In rural areas the dispensing doctor is normally the only
source of medicine and therefor the poor people won't have access to medicine
- Constitution says that everyone has the right to Health Care.
... to be continued ...
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Author: Amateur
Date: 5/5/2004 12:20:53 PM
So as you can see, her laws doesn't have an influence on you, having whatever
job you do somewhere in the city, as you go to a private doctor and hospital
and your medical aid pays for your meds. Get your facts right before trying
to support something you don't know anything about.
BTW, sorry for the spelling mistakes
in the previous posting:
therefor = therefore, unfortunatily = unfortunately, faught = fought, dicision
= decision.
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Author: Amateur
Date: 5/5/2004 12:27:59 PM
And to finish of with:
I am an African. I was born in Africa, speak a language that started in Africa, am a citizen of South Africa and I work my backside off to pay taxes. With any of those reasons we do have the right to criticise the Minister of Health.
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Author: Differ
Date: 5/5/2004 12:49:39 PM
Hear Hear!!!! I vote for Amateur.
Mzeekekeze whatever - U R N I D I
O T
Please check yourself in for a lobotomy immediately
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Author: Captainess
Date: 5/5/2004 1:06:50 PM
Well Mzekezeke if you speak the way you type then it is no wonder the way you
think, first learn the language then hit with what you have.English is the favoured
language..
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Author: Lady Viv
Date: 5/5/2004 3:53:10 PM
I absolutely agree with Captainess and Amateur - Mzekezeke, you seem to be 'sufferr-rring'
from a lack of insight, an overwhelming desire to comment on things you obviously
know nothing about, and an overdose of arrogance
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Author: Surfer
Date: 5/6/2004 3:54:34 PM
Please remind me, what was the original topic again??
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Author: Daemosx
Date: 5/6/2004 4:05:13 PM
Manto...mantooooo beetroot or potatoes...beetroot or po-tatoes?
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Author: Hampers
Date: 5/7/2004 11:43:18 AM
Surfer: On the right of this screen is a grey bar. In the IT world we call it
a SCROLLBAR. Press the left button of the mouse down, drag it up, unclick...
and you will see the first posting and what this topic is about.
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Author: Redwinelover
Date: 5/9/2004 10:45:10 AM
With regards to Mzekezeke's comments.My friend if you sincerely believe that
Manto Tsabalala-Msimang is doing a good job i wish to smoke whatever you are
smoking.......
Devan - i agree with you 100% Well said!!
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